MacMost Now 563: Upgrading to Lion

Here are some things you should know about upgrading to Lion. Find out which Macs are compatible, how the upgrade process will work and also a little about Mac OS X Lion Server.
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Hi, this is Gary with MacMost Now.
On todays episode let me show you what you'll need to do to upgrade to Lion. So apple announced on Monday that Lion will be out in July. We don't have an exact date yet but it's never too early to get ready for the update. Now first, of course, you need to make sure you have a mac that's compatible with Apple Lion. You can go into the Apple menu, about this Mac, and here you can view information about your Mac. So one of the first things you need to check are, make sure you have a processor that supports Lion.
So, the processor types are, an Intel Core 2 Duo, any of the Core I3, I5, or I7 processors, or, Xeon processors like found in the mac pros. And you can see here that mine is compatible. You can also find here your version of Mac OS 10. Of course, you need to have Snow Leopard to upgrade to Lion. So that's 10.6, and I have 10.6.7 which is the most current version. Which includes the Mac App store which is a crucial piece as well. By the time we get to Lion it may actually be a 10.6.8.
So what if you have a leopard? Well, if you have leopard, but still have a Core 2 Duo processor or newer, then you can upgrade first to Snow Leopard. And you might want to do that now, and then you'll be ready to upgrade to Lion. There is no direct path from Leopard to Lion, because you need the Mac App store to do this and the Mac App store only runs on Snow Leopard.
Now if you have Tiger, then chances are you probably have an older processor like say A power PC processor like a G3, G4 or G5, and that's not compatible with Lion or Snow Leopard for that matter. Now you'll know when Lion comes out cuz there's gonna be a big announcement and all the sites like will cover it. You can also sign up at this address, for an email from Apple, when Lion comes out.
Now the price for Lion will be $29.99 in the Mac App store. This is the same price as Snow Leopard when that came out. But much cheaper than the $130 dollar price tag for Leopard and previous versions of Mac OS 10. Now Lion is gonna be a 4 Gigabyte download in the Mac App store. if you have a fast broadband, it's probably no problem for you. Slower broadband may be kind of an overnight or while you're at work type of download. and anything less than broadband it might not be realistic for you to upgrade to Lion.
It does not appear that they'll be anyway to get Lion other than downloading it from the Mac App store. It doesn't seem that Apple's gonna come out with nay discs at all or even a way to create your own restore discs. Now, new Macs of course, will come with Lion after Lion is released, and we can hope we can still get restore discs for those. But,If you have an older Mac you have to hang onto your old restore discs that came with it, or your Snow Leopard upgrade discs and use those to restore and re-download Lion in case of a catastrophe.
Now as for compatibility, we are pretty sure that Lion won't be able to run any power PC applications. So, if you rely on a very old piece of software, it's time to upgrade to a newer version or find an alternative. now, for other types of software you may want to check with developers website, especially if it's a critical piece of software for you. make sure that their software is compatible with Lion before you upgrade.
Now, what's interesting about Lion, is you can get Lions server for only $50 dollars extra, as another download. So you download on top of Lion, Lion server, Previously Mac OS 10 server has been a different product, and it's been expensive, $500 or even 1000 dollars not too long ago. But at $50 bucks, now it can be something not only for professionals but for hobbyist as well.
So, what do you get with server? Well, you get the Mac OS 10 application, and a bunch of other ones as well. Including Wiki, email server, calendar server, the ability to do personal notifications. You can basically think of it as your personal version of, mobile me, that you can set up in your small organization.
So, that's basically what you need to know now about Lion. I'll know more about it in July when it comes out. Until then you can take a look at all the new features in Lion , at this page at the Apple website. Until next time, this is Gary with MacMost Now.

Comments: 33 Responses to “MacMost Now 563: Upgrading to Lion”

    8 years ago

    i am kind of wondering will iweb be free with all the new stuff thats going to be out with lion, not a mention about it.

      8 years ago

      No. There was no mention of iWeb being part of iCloud. So it will likely die after 6/30/12.

    C Gandl
    8 years ago

    So if I don’t now have Snow Leopard I have to first buy IT and then buy Lion??? Seems kinds Microsoft-like….

      8 years ago

      I don’t think it is similar to anything Microsoft has done. It is simply that you need the Mac App Store to download Lion. And the Mac App Store isn’t available for anything earlier than Leopard.
      But think about this: Why would someone be interested in Lion, and yet they have waited all this time without upgrading to Snow Leopard? Those that “must have” Lion would presumably “must have” Snow Leopard too, right?

    8 years ago

    My concern is compatibility with Microsoft Office 2008. I can’t seem to find the answer to whether it will work with Lion or not. And will an older version (8.1.2) of iPhoto be compatible? Maybe it’s not a good idea to be among the first to upgrade to Lion. Waiting a couple of months may be the best option.

      8 years ago

      Hard to tell. My guess is that Office 2008 will work (can’t see why not). iPhone 09 (version 8) should work too. But that’s just a guess.
      But why are you in a rush to upgrade to Lion when you haven’t cared to upgrade Office or iLife? Just curious.

        8 years ago

        In regards to your question Lion is OS and iPhoto an Application. I like the old iPhoto (9 / 8 whatever) because Apple changed the things that really worked in iPhoto and got rid of them. So someone might like old iPhoto and want Lion for say Launchpad.
        Although a lot of iPhoto good things with mail probably won’t work with the new Mail in Lion. I am staying with Snow Leopard for quite a while. Bought iLife when it came out and ended up having to uninstall and redo everything won’t make that mistake again. Apple is now changing the things that people are very comfortable with (age may be a factor)

      8 years ago

      This has ALWAYS been my approach to new technology – O/S, application s/w, cell/smart phones, motorcycles – most everything.

      Joe Libby
      8 years ago

      Office 2008 works. I upgraded to Lion this morning, and the first thing I did was open Word and Excel 2008 to see if they worked. I didn’t do much, but they both launched and opened files with no trouble.

      Hope this helps,


        8 years ago

        Still no problems? As VP of IT in our household, the CEO’s (spouse) Macbook must work correctly all the time. I am concerned that Office 2008 works seamlessly, especially Word.

    Martin Kaynan
    8 years ago

    I have 10.6.7, My problem with getting Lion is related to printers. I have an HP DeskJet 656C that only works with GutenPrint as the driver.

    If I buy Lion will I lose the ability to use this printer?

      8 years ago

      The only ones who may be able to answer that would be the makers of GutenPrint. Have you tried to contact them?

      8 years ago

      Hi Martin,
      Did you ever contact GutenPrint? I am trying to run a 656c via Gutenprint on Lion and cannot figure it out.

    Mr. Laursen
    8 years ago

    Hi Gary,

    I’m wondering if the galley via mobilme still gonne continue or not. I’m using it quite alot to share pictures with friends and family. Itdosnot seems like the photostream willbe a direct replacement.

      8 years ago

      I’m doubting it at this point. The Photostream will not be a replacement at all. I’m planning to use Picasa and Flickr from this point on, myself.

    Ken Brussack
    8 years ago

    Hello Gary,
    Would there be ANY chance that by the time Lion comes out that it would support Intel Core Duo processors? I know sometimes the final version may have its tweaks.
    Thanks for a great site.

      8 years ago

      None. Apple has already specified the requirements. They wouldn’t suddenly change them at this stage.

    8 years ago

    Do we need to use the Yasu, Onyx and/or DiskWarrior prior to upgrading from SnowLeopard to Lion?

      8 years ago

      No. Not at all. Apple wouldn’t provide us with an update that required us to use some third-party utility before installing.

    8 years ago

    Do we really need Lion, or can we opt to continue with Snow Leopard? If I can’t run my old programs with Lion, then it’s back to Windows for me!

      8 years ago

      You can stick with Lion if you like. What programs do you have that won’t run in Lion?

        Robert Poland
        8 years ago

        Am I safe in assuming the “Universal” programs should run on Lion?

        One of my favorite oldies is Tex-Edit Plus which is a PowerPC program. I have been looking and have not found anything else that has its features.

          8 years ago

          They should, yes. But you can try contacting the developers to see what they day. Mac developers can always join the Mac developer program and test with Lion now, so a developer may already know how their app performs with Lion.
          As for Tex-Edit Plus, is it a text editor I assume? Have you tried BBEdit? Or its little brother Text Wrangler?

          8 years ago

          Tom Bender, the developer of Tex-Edit Plus, told me in an email that an intel-native version of TE+ was in the works and would be released “in a week or two.” This was on July 9, but as of now (7/29) there’s still no update to the TE+ website.

          There’s reason to hope, at least.

            8 years ago

            That is fantastic news. TE+ is one of my most used applications. Not only is it a great text editor but the support for Applescript is unmatched.

    8 years ago

    I was wondering if before upgrading it would be necessary to do any clean-up or disk-formating? My MBP is only half a year old but coming from Windows it would be the usual thing to do…
    And another question regarding your 1Password promo video: Can I be sure that it will work with Lion if I buy it now or would you recommend me to wait?

      8 years ago

      You don’t need to do anything special before upgrading.
      1Password has a proven track record of supporting their software. You don’t need to wait. I’m sure they are testing 1Password with Lion now (developers have it already) and they have shown in the past to be very quick with updates to match OS X updates.

    8 years ago

    Hi Garry, I installed Lion on my Mac Book pro, latest version I have is:Software Mac OS X Lion 10.7 (11A511) I haven’t received any updates, is this correct. Thank you very much for you help!

      8 years ago

      The exact number (11A511) depends on your Mac and a few factors. But 10.7.0 is the latest as of August 9, 2011. Software Update will alert you when there is an update.

    8 years ago

    I want to upgrade to Lion. I have replaced my Quicken with MoneyDance and I think I’m ready to go. I went in System Pref to see what programs would not run, with Lion and I noticed I still have several Classic programs on my drive. Is there a program that will clean out unwanted programs? The Classic and event the PowerPC programs. Or do I have to do each one individually?

      8 years ago

      Actually, when you update to Lion it will notify you of some of the programs that will no longer run. You may be surprised to find that some do run — they have both PowerPC and Intel code in them. Otherwise, just go through your Applications folder when you get a chance and test.

    8 years ago

    With my recent upgrade to Snow Leopard I lost the ability to print wirelessly with my Canon Pixma MP640. It worked with Leopard but now I can’t add it to the listed printers. Will an upgrade to Lion resolve this issue?

      8 years ago

      Probably not. What you should do is contact Canon. Look on their site for support information about the problem and call them if you can’t find an answer. You probably need to get something from them to fix the issue.

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